Discussion:
grub-customizer
Blackcrack Moondrake
2013-07-12 04:31:13 UTC
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Hi Per,

i wrote to the programmer of Grub Customizer because it works not like
it works normaly,
and now he had look for the error why the grub-customizer not properly
works.
So what it looks like, he said that there's a grub2-mkdevicemap missing.
Can you look for it for integrating the grub2-mkdevicemap to the
grub2-pack?

and p.s.: at moment works the chainloader not correctly, it tell's me,
it's a brokern Chainloader image at boot, can't not boot the entry..

best regards
Blacky

Maybe can you take thetranslater :)
-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: Re: grub-customizer
Datum: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 21:09:45 +0200
Von: Daniel Richter <***@googlemail.com>
An: Blackcrack <***@blackysgate.de>



Hi Blacky,

ich hab mir das mal angeschaut. Das Problem ist, dass Open Mandriva
offenbar weder einen Befehl wie grub2-mkdevicemap, noch eine bereits
fertig generierte device.map hat.

Diese Datei sieht im einfachsten Fall so aus:

(hd0) /dev/sda

Achtung: Der Leerraum zwischen "(hd0)" und "/dev/sda" muss ein Tab sein

(hd0)<-tabkey->/dev/sda

(mein Thunderbird will das irgendwie nicht so richtig einfÃŒgen). Je nach
Konfiguration kann die Reihenfolge unterschiedlich sein. Falls du sie
erstellst, und dann in der Umgebungs-Konfiguration (Datei -> "Umgebung
wechseln") als DEVICEMAP_FILE festlegst, sollte es funktionieren.

Dass Grub Customizer in diesem Fall eine generische Fehlermeldung
anzeigt, ist natÌrlich nicht schön :-( . Ich schaue mal, was man da
machen kann
 Vielleicht wÀre es auch sinnvoll, eine
Fallback-Konfiguration "hardzucoden".

Schön, dass es mittlerweile Repos fÌr die RPM-Welt gibt. Ich hatte
bisher nicht so richtig die Zeit gefunden, mich da einzulesen
 ;-)

GrÌße,
Daniel
Hi Daniel :),
na imma :) Du bist einer der sich hinsetzt und was gescheites zusammen
fabriziert ;)
bei neuem eintrag bekomm ich das hier wenn ich dann mal auf
exception '15ParserException'
with message 'parsing failed - RegEx not matched'
in
/builddir/build/BUILD/grub-customizer-3.0.4/src/lib/ContentParser/Chainloader.cpp:45
ich hÀng dir dann mal ein paar bildchen rann, screenshoots :)
wie Du siehst, siehst du auch keine möglichkeit zum klick und pulldown..
was bei deinen originalscreenshoots auch zu sehen iss, irgendwie iss
der grub-customizer
hier kastriert.. nuja so fÃŒhlt sich das auf jedenfall an *s*
p.s. Arisel iss bei Openmandriva und iss echt voll in Ordnung, er ist
der,
der den grub-customizer mit in OM eingebaut hat :)
(iss aber unter woche meistens voll in Arbeit)
IRC
liebe GrÌße
Blacky
Hi Blacky,
danke erstmal ;-)
Kannst du beschreiben, welche Probleme in Moondrake/Openmandriva
auftreten?
Das Einbinden von ISOs ist bereits möglich. Dazu einfach auf "Eintrag
hinzufÃŒgen" klicken (5. Button in der Toolbar) und als Typ Linux-ISO
auswÀhlen. Alles weitere kann anschließend eingestellt werden.
Zugegeben, dazu sind ein paar Kenntnisse ÃŒber den Aufbau der
ISO-Datei notwendig, da Grub hier einige Parameter benötigt, die ISO
also nicht direkt so booten kann, wie es das BIOS sonst tun wÃŒrde.
"Add Partition/Disk" dÃŒrfte schwierig werden. Momentan ist es so,
dass das Script "/etc/grub.d/os-prober" (nicht Bestandteil von Grub
Customizer sondern von der jeweiligen Distribution), einfach alle
Partitionen durchsucht. Grub Customizer könnte hier höchstens die
gefundenen MenÌeintrÀge je nach Partition filtern. Aber ich kann mir
nicht so recht vorstellen, dass eine solche FunktionalitÀt wirklich
gebraucht wird

GrÌße,
Daniel
Hi Daniel :),
erst mal erzÀhl ich was Ìber mich und wo ich derzeit bin..
Also, erst mal ist mein Hobby Betreibsysteme, das heist ich bin seit
94'ig im netz und hab
mitgeholfen das ganze auf technischem "Vorgermann" zu bringen in dem
ich mitgeholfen hab zu verteilen ;) Also ein fast Urgestein..
Hab allerdings mein Augenmerk weniger auf programmieren mehr auf
Benutzung gelegt,
also n echter extended User *s* Nun bin ich seit ungefÀhr seit 99'
mit Mandrake angesteckt
und der Zeit hÀng derzeit in #moondrake und #openmandriva rum, beide
Distros sind
von der freigegebenen Mandriva von MandrivaSA in Paris, Jean Manuel
Croset iss der jenige,
der es hinbekommen hat, MandrivaSA zu bewegen, daß nu' die Distrie
zurÃŒck gegeben wurde..
Jetzt isses so, seit ein zwei monaten hab ich deinen Grub-Customizer
im Auge,
muss zu geben eine sehr schönes StÌck programmierarbeit :)
Allerdings funtzt er nicht wirklich sauber in Moondrake/Openmandriva
aber er ist soweit benuzbar..
Aber des weiteren hÀtte ich da ne idee, warum baust Du nicht ein
"Add Iso" hinzu ?
Das man da eventuell fÃŒr eine Neuinstallation eine Iso einbinden
könnte oder eine LiveCD oder sonst was,
möglich ist es doch mit Grub, eine Iso zu starten :)
Und dann nochmal ne Idee "Add Partition/Disk" wo gebootet werden kann,
bez. von Grub2 durch sucht und automatisch eingebunden werden kann :)
WÀhr doch was wo man einbinden könnte , wÌrde mich freuen :)
liebe GrÌße
Blacky
Blackcrack Moondrake
2013-07-12 10:06:54 UTC
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Per Øyvind Karlsen
2013-07-30 13:22:06 UTC
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Post by Colin Close
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Unfortunately Blackie my mail filter has been set to Cooker for many years
this would have been ok but it seems I was automatically subscribed to some
other cooker list, presumably the one at zarb (which incidentley I think
was a bit cheeky).
Notice that the reason behind this list was that the om-cooker list is
censored, where I myself are unable to post to the list because of this.
So given that we really don't like censorship of mailing lists and that we
need free communication, this list was created to ensure this.

--
Regards,
Per Øyvind
Jochen Schönfelder
2013-07-30 17:49:16 UTC
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On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 15:22:06 +0200
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Colin Close
**
Unfortunately Blackie my mail filter has been set to Cooker for many years
this would have been ok but it seems I was automatically subscribed to some
other cooker list, presumably the one at zarb (which incidentley I think
was a bit cheeky).
Notice that the reason behind this list was that the om-cooker list is
censored, where I myself are unable to post to the list because of this.
So given that we really don't like censorship of mailing lists and that we
need free communication, this list was created to ensure this.
Your definition of censorship is a punch in the face of all those who
experience(d) real censorship. What you critic is that the openmandriva list is
moderated to rules you do not like or want to follow.

Stop ranting, please. And gossip says that mdawkins is moderated on this list,
if I'm right.

Jochen
Per Øyvind Karlsen
2013-07-30 19:00:04 UTC
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Post by Jochen Schönfelder
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 15:22:06 +0200
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Colin Close
**
Unfortunately Blackie my mail filter has been set to Cooker for many
years
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Colin Close
this would have been ok but it seems I was automatically subscribed to
some
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Colin Close
other cooker list, presumably the one at zarb (which incidentley I
think
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Colin Close
was a bit cheeky).
Notice that the reason behind this list was that the om-cooker list is
censored, where I myself are unable to post to the list because of this.
So given that we really don't like censorship of mailing lists and that
we
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
need free communication, this list was created to ensure this.
Your definition of censorship is a punch in the face of all those who
experience(d) real censorship. What you critic is that the openmandriva list is
moderated to rules you do not like or want to follow.
I beg your pardon?

What specific rules are those? How did I violate these? And when was they
decided on?

What I've been censored for is being critical towards the association,
their behaviour and action, something which I'm surely not alone on.

Last time you claimed that I had been harazzing people, for which I really
have to wonder about exactly *who* I've been harazzed and in what way.

--
Regards,
Per Øyvind
Jochen Schönfelder
2013-07-30 19:58:33 UTC
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On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 21:00:04 +0200
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Jochen Schönfelder
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Notice that the reason behind this list was that the om-cooker list is
censored, where I myself are unable to post to the list because of this.
So given that we really don't like censorship of mailing lists and that
we
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
need free communication, this list was created to ensure this.
Your definition of censorship is a punch in the face of all those who
experience(d) real censorship. What you critic is that the openmandriva list is
moderated to rules you do not like or want to follow.
I beg your pardon?
What specific rules are those?
http://wiki.openmandriva.org/en/Cooker#Communication_guidelines

as you do know as i explicitly hinted you on irc.
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
How did I violate these?
actually I did not even claim this above. I just claimed you would not like
those and most possible do not want to follow, as you told me on irc.
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
And when was they decided on?
omv cooker meeting. If you would be a bit less selectively reading this channel,
you might even have spotted some suggestions about this. I won't crawl the logs
for you, though.
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
What I've been censored for is being critical towards the association,
their behaviour and action, something which I'm surely not alone on.
As above. Using censorship and moderation in the same meaning seems to be very
abusive to me. Also you are unable to prove let alone convince me that this
would be the reason of you beeing moderated.
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Last time you claimed that I had been harazzing people, for which I really
have to wonder about exactly *who* I've been harazzed and in what way.
Who do you mean with "you"? As far as I know my last statement on this was that
one:
23:40*<arisel> proyvind: *g* I don't know what'S happened between you and others
in the past. But I totally could agree that you are perceived as
harrassing. You're just not naming nicely what bothers you..
always talking about stuff to be crap if you don't agree, and
claiming sabotage everywhere is maybe the way xou are perceived
by many. I don't really know the root of this, so I don't think
I'm there to
23:40 <arisel> judge.

And "perceived as harrassing" you could see in several archives by yourself.


Just stop trying to twist my words.


Jochen
Per Øyvind Karlsen
2013-07-30 21:15:18 UTC
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Post by Jochen Schönfelder
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 21:00:04 +0200
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Jochen Schönfelder
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Notice that the reason behind this list was that the om-cooker list
is
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Jochen Schönfelder
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
censored, where I myself are unable to post to the list because of
this.
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Jochen Schönfelder
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
So given that we really don't like censorship of mailing lists and
that
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Jochen Schönfelder
we
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
need free communication, this list was created to ensure this.
Your definition of censorship is a punch in the face of all those who
experience(d) real censorship. What you critic is that the openmandriva list is
moderated to rules you do not like or want to follow.
I beg your pardon?
What specific rules are those?
http://wiki.openmandriva.org/en/Cooker#Communication_guidelines
as you do know as i explicitly hinted you on irc.
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
How did I violate these?
actually I did not even claim this above. I just claimed you would not like
those and most possible do not want to follow, as you told me on irc.
Heh, that's an overly simplification, you accused me of twisting words..
Post by Jochen Schönfelder
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
And when was they decided on?
omv cooker meeting. If you would be a bit less selectively reading this channel,
you might even have spotted some suggestions about this. I won't crawl the logs
for you, though.
Funny thing is that I was censored on this list before this ever was
decided on any cooker meeting.
Post by Jochen Schönfelder
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
What I've been censored for is being critical towards the association,
their behaviour and action, something which I'm surely not alone on.
As above. Using censorship and moderation in the same meaning seems to be very
abusive to me. Also you are unable to prove let alone convince me that this
would be the reason of you beeing moderated.
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Last time you claimed that I had been harazzing people, for which I
really
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
have to wonder about exactly *who* I've been harazzed and in what way.
Who do you mean with "you"? As far as I know my last statement on this was that
23:40*<arisel> proyvind: *g* I don't know what'S happened between you and others
in the past. But I totally could agree that you are perceived as
harrassing. You're just not naming nicely what bothers you..
always talking about stuff to be crap if you don't agree, and
claiming sabotage everywhere is maybe the way xou are perceived
by many. I don't really know the root of this, so I don't think
I'm there to
23:40 <arisel> judge.
And "perceived as harrassing" you could see in several archives by yourself.
No, because I'm quite positive about never having harazzed anyone on this
list at all, which is why I'm asking for more details.
If they're so easy to find on the lists, you surely should be able to
provide me with some examples, no?
Otherwise I might just argue that 'You are just claiming things here'.
Post by Jochen Schönfelder
Just stop trying to twist my words.
Funny thing is that I find myself experiencing just the same..

--
Regards,
Per Øyvind
Jochen Schönfelder
2013-07-31 06:46:50 UTC
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Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Jochen Schönfelder
And "perceived as harrassing" you could see in several archives by yourself.
No, because I'm quite positive about never having harazzed anyone on this
list at all, which is why I'm asking for more details.
If they're so easy to find on the lists, you surely should be able to
provide me with some examples, no?
Otherwise I might just argue that 'You are just claiming things here'.
I'm still claiming "perceived as harrassing". First and maybe most easy hit for
proving that:

rjadot on 2013-06-20:

"Initially he is premoderated (and is the only one to be) on the list
mainly for reason of rants, pollution, harassment and crossposting, not
for having his opinions."

by seeing your answers you read that mail.
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Jochen Schönfelder
Just stop trying to twist my words.
Funny thing is that I find myself experiencing just the same..
Well I wrote that i think you're perceived as harassing, you made out of that
"show me where i harassed".

Will stop that now as I'm told and convinced that these discussions aren't
leading to anything.


Jochen
Per Øyvind Karlsen
2013-07-31 12:39:14 UTC
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Post by Jochen Schönfelder
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Jochen Schönfelder
And "perceived as harrassing" you could see in several archives by yourself.
No, because I'm quite positive about never having harazzed anyone on this
list at all, which is why I'm asking for more details.
If they're so easy to find on the lists, you surely should be able to
provide me with some examples, no?
Otherwise I might just argue that 'You are just claiming things here'.
I'm still claiming "perceived as harrassing".
Well, first of all, in order to harass someone, you kinda have to get
personal towards someone, which I have not.
As you write, "always talking about stuff to be crap if you don't agree",
that is certainly right.
And I have no problem arguing why I have problems with things without
getting personal, criticizing other peoples' ideas, actions etc. is
certainly not something that can be perceived as harassment either, while
moderating me for this is certainly a clear text book example of what is to
be considered as censorship.

First and maybe most easy hit for
Post by Jochen Schönfelder
"Initially he is premoderated (and is the only one to be) on the list
mainly for reason of rants, pollution, harassment and crossposting, not
for having his opinions."
This proves it in what way? I find these claims as an obvious attempt to
deflect with empty accusations with even completely arbitrary rules about
rants and cross posting made up on the go.
And for pollution most complaints on cooker list earlier wasn't about
myself polluting it, but rather the pollution by Raphael and others trying
to justify their own actions.
Raphael was neither able to answer my question about harassment nor replies
to this post by others either.
Referring to a post where he makes up claims of this without being able to
answer for it doesn't really support your claims in any way.
Post by Jochen Schönfelder
by seeing your answers you read that mail.
?
Post by Jochen Schönfelder
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Jochen Schönfelder
Just stop trying to twist my words.
Funny thing is that I find myself experiencing just the same..
Well I wrote that i think you're perceived as harassing, you made out of that
"show me where i harassed".
Semantics..
What is being perceived by someone under criticism often tends to differ
from actual reality...
Post by Jochen Schönfelder
Will stop that now as I'm told and convinced that these discussions aren't
leading to anything.
Told by who..?

--
Regards,
Per Øyvind
Jeff Johnson
2013-07-31 15:56:57 UTC
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Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Told by who..?
Told by whom. Without the mistyped redundant ellipsis.

hth

73 de Jeff
David Walser
2013-07-31 16:17:57 UTC
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Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Cooker] grub-customizer
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Told by who..?
Told by whom. Without the mistyped redundant ellipsis.
hth
In the US, while "whom" is traditional proper English, it is not required anymore; "who" is perfectly acceptable.  Just FYI :o)
Jeff Johnson
2013-07-31 16:27:47 UTC
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In the US, while "whom" is traditional proper English, it is not required anymore; "who" is perfectly acceptable. Just FYI :o)
Who made that rule change?!? I wasn't notified!

73 de Jeff

Per Øyvind Karlsen
2013-07-30 19:23:30 UTC
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Post by Jochen Schönfelder
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 15:22:06 +0200
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Colin Close
**
Unfortunately Blackie my mail filter has been set to Cooker for many
years
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Colin Close
this would have been ok but it seems I was automatically subscribed to
some
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Colin Close
other cooker list, presumably the one at zarb (which incidentley I
think
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Colin Close
was a bit cheeky).
Notice that the reason behind this list was that the om-cooker list is
censored, where I myself are unable to post to the list because of this.
So given that we really don't like censorship of mailing lists and that
we
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
need free communication, this list was created to ensure this.
Your definition of censorship is a punch in the face of all those who
experience(d) real censorship. What you critic is that the openmandriva list is
moderated to rules you do not like or want to follow.
Stop ranting, please. And gossip says that mdawkins is moderated on this list,
if I'm right.
FWIW it's not any less absurd to censor^W"moderate" mdawkins on this list
either.

Throughout this project's history, we've never felt it necessary to have
any moderation of the list, which should say something considering that
this was waywaywaaaay more active with far more people involved in the past.

The way that these new rules are imposed by people that's newcomers to the
project is really sad, especially the utter obliviousness about the
incredibly damaging effect this has on the project, which has been in a
beyond critical state for quite a while..

People seriously needs to reconsider their ways and the consequences of
their actions in stead of being so concerned about their need to control
every aspects of the work and communication of others.
This is *NO* way to run a free software project.

--
Regards,
Per Øyvind
Blackcrack
2013-07-30 19:33:31 UTC
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Post by Jochen Schönfelder
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 15:22:06 +0200
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Colin Close
**
Unfortunately Blackie my mail filter has been set to Cooker
for many years
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Colin Close
this would have been ok but it seems I was automatically
subscribed to some
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Colin Close
other cooker list, presumably the one at zarb (which
incidentley I think
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Post by Colin Close
was a bit cheeky).
Notice that the reason behind this list was that the om-cooker
list is
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
censored, where I myself are unable to post to the list because
of this.
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
So given that we really don't like censorship of mailing lists
and that we
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
need free communication, this list was created to ensure this.
Your definition of censorship is a punch in the face of all those who
experience(d) real censorship. What you critic is that the
openmandriva list is
moderated to rules you do not like or want to follow.
Stop ranting, please. And gossip says that mdawkins is moderated on this list,
if I'm right.
FWIW it's not any less absurd to censor^W"moderate" mdawkins on this
list either.
Throughout this project's history, we've never felt it necessary to
have any moderation of the list, which should say something
considering that this was waywaywaaaay more active with far more
people involved in the past.
The way that these new rules are imposed by people that's newcomers to
the project is really sad, especially the utter obliviousness about
the incredibly damaging effect this has on the project, which has been
in a beyond critical state for quite a while..
People seriously needs to reconsider their ways and the consequences
of their actions in stead of being so concerned about their need to
control every aspects of the work and communication of others.
This is *NO* way to run a free software project.
--
Regards,
Per Øyvind
++++1

best regards
Blacky
Jochen Schönfelder
2013-07-30 20:09:08 UTC
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Ahoi!
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Throughout this project's history, we've never felt it necessary to have
any moderation of the list, which should say something considering that
this was waywaywaaaay more active with far more people involved in the past.
Maybe this says sth. I just wonder what it says. And maybe seeing the list more
active again since someone started this behaviour might also say sth.
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
The way that these new rules are imposed by people that's newcomers to the
project is really sad,
wrong. these rules could be changed by whoever is active and joins the
meetings. So even if they were totally created by newcomers without any input
(which they weren't), you still would be wrong.
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
especially the utter obliviousness about the
incredibly damaging effect this has on the project,
unclaimed and most possible wrong.
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
which has been in a beyond critical state for quite a while..
You are just claiming things here.
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
People seriously needs to reconsider their ways and the consequences of
their actions in stead of being so concerned about their need to control
every aspects of the work and communication of others.
I do not see of which project you are speaking. This does not fit.
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
This is *NO* way to run a free software project.
which i read as your opinion.


Jochen

Ps.: I normally try to avoid these discussions, as i don't see them leading
anywhere. Hoewever, as you subscribed me on this list without asking, I
sometimes feel the urge to react on what's written.
Per Øyvind Karlsen
2013-07-30 21:30:59 UTC
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Post by Jochen Schönfelder
Ahoi!
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
Throughout this project's history, we've never felt it necessary to have
any moderation of the list, which should say something considering that
this was waywaywaaaay more active with far more people involved in the
past.
Maybe this says sth. I just wonder what it says. And maybe seeing the list more
active again since someone started this behaviour might also say sth.
Pfft, main reason for lists having been too silent has been peoples' bad
habits of being overly comfortable with IRC combined with a community that
has shrunked quite a lot. Better awareness of the benefits of not being IRC
exclusive combined with some more people being involved through the QA
teams that's finally gotten organized and active (kudos to people such as
Robert for driving this!:).
Stricter rules are certainly not what to attribute the modest increase of
list activity lately.
Post by Jochen Schönfelder
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
The way that these new rules are imposed by people that's newcomers to
the
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
project is really sad,
wrong. these rules could be changed by whoever is active and joins the
meetings. So even if they were totally created by newcomers without any input
(which they weren't), you still would be wrong.
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
especially the utter obliviousness about the
incredibly damaging effect this has on the project,
unclaimed and most possible wrong.
Ehr? "unclaimed"?
Blocking people's participation and contributions is a very bad thing and a
good way to turn productive contributors away, something that's especially
worrying considering the lack of man power we currently have.
Considering the wast amount of work I've invested in this project and the
amount of responsibilities noone else has taken, the inconvenience of this
should be more than obvious enough without me having to go into lengthy
details explaining all of.

So much for meritocracy..
Post by Jochen Schönfelder
which has been in a beyond critical state for quite a while..
You are just claiming things here.
???
This should be more than obvious, this is one of the few things that noone
is oblivious about. Do you actually mean to say that this project is in a
healthy state?
Post by Jochen Schönfelder
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
People seriously needs to reconsider their ways and the consequences of
their actions in stead of being so concerned about their need to control
every aspects of the work and communication of others.
I do not see of which project you are speaking. This does not fit.
The slow progress of development, the tension and dissatisfaction amongst
the few contributors who are left are surely something that I'd consider as
consequences that are hard to deny.
Post by Jochen Schönfelder
Post by Per Øyvind Karlsen
This is *NO* way to run a free software project.
which i read as your opinion.
Yeah, sure, it cannot be based on my experience and expertize from
involvement in this and related projects for over a decade now..

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Regards,
Per Øyvind
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