Per Øyvind Karlsen
2013-06-20 16:24:29 UTC
Guilherme, my comment even contains a quote
Please do not juggle and do not pinpoint to others
I was referring to your exact words
I was not (yet) commenting on conversations between TPG and Matt, and
this does not make my comment to you a double-standard
Please hear me right and do not go personal or emotional
I hope this conversation (if you feel like continuing it) would be
continued in other places, out of this ML
This has been one of the biggest problems all along with the relationsPlease do not juggle and do not pinpoint to others
I was referring to your exact words
I was not (yet) commenting on conversations between TPG and Matt, and
this does not make my comment to you a double-standard
Please hear me right and do not go personal or emotional
I hope this conversation (if you feel like continuing it) would be
continued in other places, out of this ML
between association and the project, where new mailing lists keeps getting
created (without any need for so many, considering the low amount of
traffic, it only introduces more bureacracy and difficulties for people to
follow everything) and discussions regarding the project itself never took
place on the project mailing list where all the actual developers (you
know, those who actually do all the work involved with producing the distro
rather than trying to compensate by introducing more bureacracy,
interferring with and controlling it) are active and following.
If we have a problem here with the project and with something going on at
the list, we discuss it here, not everywhere else.
I don't think there's many of the developers who appreciated too much how
the association claimed the project as it's property based on it being
hosted on servers donated to the association (for the project to use), how
everyone got revoked their access privilegies and inhibited from doing much
of their work just because someone wants to have more control and with it a
greater ability to behave in a completely unacceptable way.
It's paradoxally amusing how the council that weren't supposed to be able
to interfer with the project, suddenly found themself fully able to choose
who to lead it, who to kick out etcetc. based on a single, insignificant
commit, then portrayed me as a dictactor hijacking the project..
This project has always relied on a very open environment,
pseudo-anarchistic meritocracy in nature, where the freedom of being able
to do a lot without bureacracy and restrictions, has made it able to stay a
highly dynamic and versatile distro despite having a far less amount of
maintainers than most other distros, with some key people (like TPG) doing
the wast amount of work and pulling their weight on regular basis far more
than others.
This is what the association and with the behaviour of people like Matt is
now about to erradicate what's left of, being too stubborn and filled with
pride over their accomplishments in creating an association and their egos
getting in the way of listening to advice and objections from those who
actually have the most solid experience and merits to show for (even
completely ignoring and dismissing critic and advice given by people like
Bruce Perens which undisputably has the merits to show for, because you're
such a democracy with such great accomplishments that you don't have to
care about what others has to say, especially if you don't like, because
then you can just censor it just like any real democracy would do, right?)..
Someone who's majority of contributions to cooker has been commits of the
"cleaned up spec" kind, touting that we're in a soft freeze, yet still not
focusing on doing any important work on distro, but rather still spends
most of his efforts on this "highly significant" work, should reallyreally
think twice before calling out someone who actually does a lot of important
work (and has actually done so for quite a long time, making him well
deserved of better treatment) that drives progress and threatening him with
revoking his commit access.
So how long have you guys been in soft freeze now? Three months? How much
longer has it been since the two weeks anticipated for rebuilding the whole
distro after the migration? 7-8 months? Yet you're still not done and I
don't really see much QA being done on the actual built packages themself,
making sure that a package rebuilds surely doesn't qualify as "more
intensive" QA..
A bit longer rant than what I planned for, prolly' the result of having
been censored for the past months.. :p
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Regards,
Per Øyvind
well, maybe I'll start CC'ing here whenever I try reply to any post or
anything.. :p
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Regards,
Per Øyvind